Asking ChatGPT About How The Book Of Hebrews Might Clash With The Western Church’s Penal Substitutionary Atonement Model

My question:

Would it be correct to say that the Book of Hebrews, in summary, is about the Hebrew believer in Jesus being encouraged to no longer have any concerns about current or future cleansing of sacred space?

ChatGPT response:

Short answer: yes—with an important clarification.

Long answer: yes, and this is basically Hebrews’ whole drumbeat.

The core claim of Book of Hebrews

Hebrews is telling Jewish believers in Jesus that they no longer need to live with anxiety about:

ongoing ritual impurity

repeated sacred-space maintenance

future defilement of God’s dwelling

or another Day of Atonement–style reset

Why? Because the problem Hebrews is solving is not “individual guilt management,” but “where does God safely dwell with his people?”

How Hebrews reframes “cleansing sacred space”

1. Sacred space has been definitively cleansed

Hebrews insists that Jesus did once-for-all what the Levitical system could only do temporarily and repeatedly.

Key ideas (not just prooftexts):

Earthly tabernacle = copy/shadow

Heavenly reality = the real sacred space

Jesus doesn’t cleanse again and again

He cleanses once, at the level that actually matters

“He entered once for all into the holy places… having obtained eternal redemption.” (Heb 9 logic)

That’s sacred-space language, not courtroom language.

2. No future contamination crisis is anticipated

This is the part that often gets missed.

Hebrews never warns believers:

“Be careful or the sacred space will get defiled again”

“Another atonement cycle will be required”

“God may need to withdraw his presence”

Instead, it says:

The place is clean

The priest remains seated

Access is open

Confidence is warranted

If ongoing sacred-space cleansing were still needed, Jesus would still be standing and serving, not seated (Heb 10).

3. What does remain? Fidelity, not re-cleansing

Hebrews absolutely still exhorts believers—but notice where the pressure is:

Hold fast

Do not drift

Do not harden your hearts

Remain loyal to the Son

These are covenant-faithfulness warnings, not purity-system warnings.

The danger Hebrews warns about is not:

“You might defile God’s house again”

but:

“You might walk away from the only house that actually exists.”

So your summary—tightened and sharpened

A very Hebrews-faithful way to say it would be:

Hebrews encourages Jewish believers in Jesus to stop being concerned with the need for any present or future ritual cleansing of sacred space, because that work has been completed once for all in the heavenly reality by Jesus himself. What remains is not maintenance of access, but faithful participation in it.

Or, in your idiom:

The house is clean

God has moved in

The door is open

Don’t go back outside looking for a mop 🧹

If you want, next we can:

Contrast this directly with Western penal substitution instincts

Or map Hebrews against Leviticus 16 line-by-line

Or connect this to your Eden → Temple → New Creation sacred-space thread

You’re reading Hebrews exactly where it wants to be read.

I then requested:

Contrast this directly with Western penal substitution instincts

ChatGPT response:

Alright—here’s the clean, head-on contrast between Hebrews’ logic and Western penal-substitution instincts, without caricature but without pulling punches either.

Frame the question first

Book of Hebrews is answering a cultic / priestly / sacred-space question:

How does God permanently dwell with humans without withdrawing due to defilement?

Western penal substitution (PSA) instinctively answers a forensic / judicial question:

How can guilty individuals avoid punishment from a just God?

Same cross.

Different problem set.

1. What is the core problem?

Hebrews

Problem:

God’s dwelling with humanity is constantly threatened by impurity and death.

The issue is location (where God dwells)

The danger is defilement

The solution must be cosmic, priestly, and once-for-all

Sin is dangerous because it contaminates sacred space and fractures covenant life.

Western PSA

Problem:

God’s justice requires punishment for lawbreaking.

The issue is legal guilt

The danger is divine wrath

The solution must be penal satisfaction

Sin is dangerous because it deserves punishment.

👉 Already, we’re solving two different questions.

2. What does “atonement” actually do?

Hebrews

Atonement cleanses.

Cleanses the heavenly sanctuary

Cleanses conscience as a result

Secures permanent access

Ends the sacrificial cycle

Atonement is about maintaining God’s presence, not managing his temper.

If wrath were the core issue, Hebrews would talk far more about punishment.

Instead, it talks obsessively about access, approach, entry, nearness, and cleansing.

Western PSA

Atonement absorbs punishment.

Wrath must be poured out

Justice must be satisfied

Punishment must be transferred

Cleansing becomes a metaphor for guilt removal, not a literal cultic concern.

3. Who is “the judge” at the cross?

Hebrews

Jesus is:

High Priest

Sacrifice

Mediator

Forerunner

Notice who Jesus is not portrayed as enduring:

He is never said to endure the Father’s wrath

He is never depicted as being punished by God

He offers himself to God, not against God

The cross is a priestly act within divine unity, not an intra-Trinitarian penalty exchange.

Western PSA instinct

The mental picture often becomes:

Father = judge

Son = punished substitute

Wrath = transferred

This creates unavoidable tensions:

Who is judging whom?

Why does wrath need to be vented?

Why does punishment precede forgiveness?

Hebrews sidesteps all of that entirely.

4. What is “finished”?

Hebrews

What is finished is sacred-space maintenance.

No future Day of Atonement

No standing priest

No re-entry required

No risk of God withdrawing again

The seated priest = no unfinished cultic work remains

Believers are warned not about future impurity, but about abandoning access.

Western PSA

What is finished is payment.

Debt paid

Punishment exhausted

Justice satisfied

But this often re-introduces anxiety:

Am I still clean?

What if I sin again?

Do I re-incur wrath?

Hebrews explicitly cuts off that anxiety at the root.

5. What motivates obedience?

Hebrews

Obedience flows from:

Gratitude for access

Loyalty to the Son

Participation in a cleansed house

You obey because you are inside.

Western PSA (at its worst instincts)

Obedience flows from:

Fear of displeasing God

Gratitude for avoided punishment

Anxiety about falling back under wrath

You obey so you don’t end up back in court.

Hebrews never puts believers back in court.

6. The deepest difference (this is the key)

Hebrews says:

God’s problem with sin is that it disrupts his dwelling with humanity.

Western PSA instinct says:

God’s problem with sin is that it demands punishment.

Hebrews resolves sin by re-establishing nearness.

PSA resolves sin by redirecting wrath.

Those are not the same engine.

Bottom line (said cleanly)

Your instinct is right to say:

Hebrews does not teach that Jesus saves believers from future divine wrath by absorbing it in advance.

Hebrews teaches that Jesus permanently cleanses the place where God meets humanity, making ongoing or future sacred-space atonement unnecessary.

Or more bluntly:

Hebrews = “The house is clean forever.”

Western PSA instinct = “The sentence has been served.”

Hebrews is temple logic.

PSA is courtroom logic.

They can overlap only if the temple comes first.

When the courtroom replaces the temple, Hebrews gets flattened.

It makes me think of this…

Hebrews 10:19-25 (HCSB)
Therefore, brothers, since we have boldness to enter the sanctuary through the blood of Jesus, 20 by a new and living way He has opened for us through the curtain (that is, His flesh), and since we have a great high priest over the house of God, let us draw near with a true heart in full assurance of faith, our hearts sprinkled clean from an evil conscience and our bodies washed in pure water. Let us hold on to the confession of our hope without wavering, for He who promised is faithful. And let us be concerned about one another in order to promote love and good works, not staying away from our worship meetings, as some habitually do, but encouraging each other, and all the more as you see the day drawing near.

Godspeed, to the brethren!

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